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Evolution and Creation
« on: June 19, 2008, 11:43:21 AM »
Two opposing views on how the world began. Which one do you agree with and why?

How about we have a little debate, but try to keep it friendly, no flaming!

I side with Creationism, which states that God (a supreme being who is all-knowing, everywhere at once, and all powerful) created the world out of nothing.

Post your views below. And feel free to challenge mine.
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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2008, 12:13:36 PM »
Two opposing views on how the world began. Which one do you agree with and why?

How about we have a little debate, but try to keep it friendly, no flaming!

I side with Creationism, which states that God (a supreme being who is all-knowing, everywhere at once, and all powerful) created the world out of nothing.

Post your views below. And feel free to challenge mine.
i would like to say i believe that god creating something from nothing....which is what i go with....but i am skeptical and do not believe either of these....lol......its all about the aliens man! aliens!
I agree with you i believe god created everything......the big bang theory is pathetic....no offense

ontop of this lets discuss whether Scientology is a religion or cult?
and ontop of that we bring into science vs relgion! have fun!


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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2008, 01:09:31 PM »
Two opposing views on how the world began. Which one do you agree with and why?

How about we have a little debate, but try to keep it friendly, no flaming!

I side with Creationism, which states that God (a supreme being who is all-knowing, everywhere at once, and all powerful) created the world out of nothing.

Post your views below. And feel free to challenge mine.
i would like to say i believe that god creating something from nothing....which is what i go with....but i am skeptical and do not believe either of these....lol......its all about the aliens man! aliens!
I agree with you i believe god created everything......the big bang theory is pathetic....no offense

ontop of this lets discuss whether Scientology is a religion or cult?
and ontop of that we bring into science vs relgion! have fun!

Scientology is a religion. A peculiar one, but a religion nonetheless.
Science should NOT be against religion. Science should back up religion, and verify some things that the religion says is true. But Science cannot verify all things in a religion because if it did it would not be a religion, it would be a fact. And if it were a fact then everyone should believe it.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2008, 08:29:32 PM by a GQLFBALL »
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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2008, 03:25:13 PM »
Two opposing views on how the world began. Which one do you agree with and why?

How about we have a little debate, but try to keep it friendly, no flaming!

I side with Creationism, which states that God (a supreme being who is all-knowing, everywhere at once, and all powerful) created the world out of nothing.

Post your views below. And feel free to challenge mine.
i would like to say i believe that god creating something from nothing....which is what i go with....but i am skeptical and do not believe either of these....lol......its all about the aliens man! aliens!
I agree with you i believe god created everything......the big bang theory is pathetic....no offense

ontop of this lets discuss whether Scientology is a religion or cult?
and ontop of that we bring into science vs relgion! have fun!

You should probably elaborate on why the big bang theory is pathetic otherwise you'll look ignorant.

The different between science and religion is that science makes a conclusion based on evidence where as religion finds evidence to back up their conclusion. Thus is why I think the Big Bang Theory is a more viable conclusion.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2008, 03:27:49 PM by japsun »

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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2008, 05:57:49 PM »
Two opposing views on how the world began. Which one do you agree with and why?

How about we have a little debate, but try to keep it friendly, no flaming!

I side with Creationism, which states that God (a supreme being who is all-knowing, everywhere at once, and all powerful) created the world out of nothing.

Post your views below. And feel free to challenge mine.
i would like to say i believe that god creating something from nothing....which is what i go with....but i am skeptical and do not believe either of these....lol......its all about the aliens man! aliens!
I agree with you i believe god created everything......the big bang theory is pathetic....no offense

ontop of this lets discuss whether Scientology is a religion or cult?
and ontop of that we bring into science vs relgion! have fun!

You should probably elaborate on why the big bang theory is pathetic otherwise you'll look ignorant.

The different between science and religion is that science makes a conclusion based on evidence where as religion finds evidence to back up their conclusion. Thus is why I think the Big Bang Theory is a more viable conclusion.
but then again come on the big bang? we all originated from a gigantic supersonic blast from the orgin of a period at the end of this sentence. ?......too me that is a very unbelievable fact


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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2008, 07:06:31 PM »
And like there's some dude in the sky who decided to create a universe and put sinful people on a planet. See the ignorance?

The big bang is based off of the framework of Eintein's General Relativity. If Eintein believed it then it must have some sort of credibility. The Universe is constantly expanding and even galaxy clusters are moving farther and farther apart. Thus is one of the many reasons we believe the universe was once a tiny little spec. I could list more and more if you want but you obviously aren't very open minded.

If you can't reason with logic without using sarcasm then I overestimated you as a smart individual gnome.
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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2008, 07:16:11 PM »
And like there's some dude in the sky who decided to create a universe and put sinful people on a planet. See the ignorance?

The big bang is based off of the framework of Eintein's General Relativity. If Eintein believed it then it must have some sort of credibility. The Universe is constantly expanding and even galaxy clusters are moving farther and farther apart. Thus is one of the many reasons we believe the universe was once a tiny little spec. I could list more and more if you want but you obviously aren't very open minded.

If you can't reason with logic without using sarcasm then I overestimated you as a smart individual gnome.
hahha.....i dont see the point in arguing when me and you both know japsun that we will not reach a indefinite answer that will fulfill both sides of this.....and yes i am a smart individual but do not base my intellectual ability on that of my beliefs....


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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2008, 07:57:46 PM »
Now now guys use good debating skills Gnom3 read up on the Big Bang theory. Its very interesting.

I encourage each of you too read up on the opposing view for as Allen stated so eloquently, "One would not want to look ignorant."

And furthermore the Big Bang Theory does not explain how the world originated, but how it is evolving, so saying the world began from the Big Bang Theory is out of the question.

here is a source to verify this.   http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html#misconceptions
« Last Edit: June 19, 2008, 08:01:31 PM by a GQLFBALL »
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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2008, 08:09:24 PM »
And like there's some dude in the sky who decided to create a universe and put sinful people on a planet. See the ignorance?

The big bang is based off of the framework of Eintein's General Relativity. If Eintein believed it then it must have some sort of credibility. The Universe is constantly expanding and even galaxy clusters are moving farther and farther apart. Thus is one of the many reasons we believe the universe was once a tiny little spec. I could list more and more if you want but you obviously aren't very open minded.

If you can't reason with logic without using sarcasm then I overestimated you as a smart individual gnome.

Now Allen like i said in a previous post (which you havent read yet) the Big Bang Theory (BBT) does not explain the origin of the world. And saying "Because Einstein said it, there must be some credibility, is like saying "Because scientists once thought the world was flat, it must have been somewhat credible." (When debating one should avoid referencing people as a source of proving a point. Stick to facts my friend.
You are very correct the universe is expanding. Now I will show you were it says this in the Bible,
He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea. Job 9:8


He wraps himself in light as with a garment; he stretches out the heavens like a tent Psalm 104:2


By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place. Proverbs 3:19
 

All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree. Isaiah 34:4
 

He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. Isaiah 40:22
 

This is what God the LORD says, he who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and all that comes out of it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it... Isaiah 42:5


"This is what the LORD says--your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself... Isaiah 42:44


It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it. My own hands stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts. Isaiah 45:12


that you forget the LORD your Maker, who stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth... Isaiah 51:13


But God made the earth by his power; he founded the world by his wisdom and stretched out the heavens by his understanding. Jeremiah 10:12


"He made the earth by his power; he founded the world by his wisdom and stretched out the heavens by his understanding. Jeremiah 51:15


This is the word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the spirit of man within him. Zechariah 12:1

These are some verses in the bible that refer to it being stretched out or expanded.

And on a side note Einstein believed in God, Yahweh to be more precise. He also believed that theology and nature were intertwined.
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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2008, 08:23:04 PM »
You are very correct the universe is expanding.
agreed....various amount of proof are seen....


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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2008, 08:47:15 PM »
Would anyone else like to participate in this debate?
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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2008, 08:50:05 PM »
Would anyone else like to participate in this debate?
yehh my brain hurts...ive been cramming into for exams


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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2008, 08:53:07 PM »
Thank you for correcting me Cody on the Big Bang Theory. But how is referencing someone who is highly known and credible a bad thing? I would understand if i generalized by saying scientists but a known person who is an expert on the topic at hand is definitely something that can be used as a reference.

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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2008, 09:16:19 PM »
Thank you for correcting me Cody on the Big Bang Theory. But how is referencing someone who is highly known and credible a bad thing? I would understand if i generalized by saying scientists but a known person who is an expert on the topic at hand is definitely something that can be used as a reference.

My apologies Allen, it seems I misunderstood what you were saying. You are correct and I am wrong, referencing someone with such great credentials is ideal, my mistake.
For some reason when I read it I thought you were saying Einstein believed in Evolution, while all you were saying was Einstein supports an expanding universe.
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Re: Evolution and Creation
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2008, 09:38:03 PM »
Tell me Allen (or neone else) is there any thing you have never understood from your point of view about creation that you would like me to explain?
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