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Re: Obama FTW
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2008, 06:11:42 PM »

What I am curious to know is what he's going to do about the fed reserve loaning so much money to the government and allowing banks to essentially create money from thin air purely because 'people want it'. This is where the problem started and I hope he addresses it sooner rather than later. Somehting tells me though that no matter who is president, the central bank will still be able to usurp the government because it controls the nation's -  and effectively the world's money supply.

Banks have been creating money out of thin air since the Federal Reserve was put into place. Thank you monetary reform system <3xoxo

exactly - that's the way it works and that's where the problem stems from. Trouble is the only people who can borrow money from a central bank is the government. So what I mean is, how is he going to regulate the amount of money his government borrows from the fed to feed into high street banks? The Bush family has had ties in the past with the central bank - so strange how his government borrowed so much money from them isn't it lol. The only people to make a profit out of this whole economic crisis are the board of the central bank.

The best induced financial scam since the depression caused by similar attributes in the 1930's.

The government really needs to stay out of the stock market in America. The stock market failing like it is right now is a natural correction due to corporate greed. Passing the $700 billion "rescue" plan was dumb. We just randomly pulled $700 billion out of thin air.

Steve, has England passed a bailout plan yet? I know France Germany and Russia have.
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Re: Obama FTW
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2008, 01:19:37 AM »
i agree with cody 100%

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Re: Obama FTW
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2008, 11:24:23 AM »
The government really needs to stay out of the stock market in America. The stock market failing like it is right now is a natural correction due to corporate greed. Passing the $700 billion "rescue" plan was dumb. We just randomly pulled $700 billion out of thin air.

Steve, has England passed a bailout plan yet? I know France Germany and Russia have.

I'll make a separtate post on our rescue plan in a mniute once I've posted on the US.

In an ideal world this would be true, but unfortunately they can't stay out. Money cannot just be "given" it has to be loaned and or exchanged for goods of value. Seeming as loans are what is already crippling the baks, the only way to pump capital into the system is by buying up shares of capital value. Strange isn't it?

The move - in effect - a is partial nationalization of the banking system, does put the United States in the awkward position of owning shares in institutions it also regulates. The shares purchased by the government will be nonvoting ones, therefore the government does not have a vote at the AGM in how the bank is run. However the bank still has it's loans and savings backed by government accounts - so there are still some advantages in the short term.

Much of the current crisis has been caused by the banks' unwillingness to lend to each other (competition after all), so the government hopes that if those loans can be guaranteed by its own accounts then lending will resume.

Another thing which is happening in the wake of the crisis is large banks merging to form super banks. This is also the case in the UK where HBOS and Lloyds TSB are being allowed to merge (they usually wouldn't due to anti-competition laws) and is another example of breaking protocol due to 'exceptional cirumstances'. These things aren't just decided they're planned over long periods of time therefore there are people manipulating the systme to ensure they still come out on top. I believe similar instances are also occuring in the US.
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Re: Obama FTW
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2008, 11:42:19 AM »
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Re: Obama FTW
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2008, 12:37:37 PM »
I just read today, that in the U.S. 19 banks have closed down in the U.S. so far.

Steve, I think our government own almost 80% of AIG shares. Sad isn't? I don't look forward to paying for this in the forture
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Re: Obama FTW
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2008, 05:59:12 PM »
its ridiculous how much money banks spend lobbying Washington.